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Discussing what's wrong with UVa hoops

I don't want this to be a "hate/anger" thread. I don't want folk to launch into "the sky is falling" types of tirades or basically blame everything on "they just need to play harder!" or anything like that.

What I want is a substantive discussion and I want to use the blog post linked below as the starting point since everything UBall articulated is what I was sort of thinking about while driving back this morning and planning to touch on in my column tomorrow.

So, give this a read, and then share some thoughts.

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Somebody else said it ...

I think it might have been NJHoo ... there are three or four teams that are demonstrably better in terms of talent (healthy Michigan State, UNC, KU, Oklahoma, maybe Maryland), but this year is really a free-for-all behind them.

Louisville lost at Clemson today. Purdue down double digits at Illinois with about five minutes to play. Arizona is 1-2 in the Pac-12 after losing to USC. Iowa State is 1-2 in the Big XII-ish after losing to Baylor. Dayton was in the top 10 of the RPI and lost at LaSalle. Almost every team not named above (or not named South Carolina or SMU) has at least one head-scratching loss. We happen to have a couple -- I don't count GW as they were ranked at one point and might be again if this mediocrity in the P5 continues.

I guess what I'm saying is there are a lot of good but not great teams and lots will lose on the road to unranked, top 100ish teams as the season goes along.

miami

We need this game in the worst way & this is probably the best team we have played thus far. Miami is a very complete well-coached team. They will be ranked in the top 10 tomorrow. Of their 13 wins they have won by at least 10pts in every game except at Nebraska. They have led wire to wire in 5 games thus far & this includes their games vs Utah, butler & fsu. This is going to be a tall task Tuesday night. We better come ready to play or we will be blown out on our home court.

Are we shocked

The holes have been clear for some time. We were shooting lights out to cover up certain issues.

We have to come to grips that we are not as good of a defensive team as we have been the last few years.

I think our offense is very easy to defend right now. Mover blocker needs to be adjusted asap. One on one, ball screen, post. We are definitely not as crisp off the curls, flares, etc., as the past few seasons.

This team doesn't bring it on the defensive end other than a few minutes a game. TB needs to send a message that if you are not going to play defense you won't play.

Sophomore slump- None of our sophomore class is doing what we need for this team to be a really good team.

TB has been out-coached the last few games. Maybe that is effort not coaching but the same BLOB play that Tech ran was run three consecutive times in a row.

I'm coming to grips that this team might be a five or six seed, but we need to be very careful or we are in trouble very soon.

OT: but some positive news today

I did not get to see the basketball game today but listened on streaming 3WV on my iPhone. The good news is that my youngest son (11), won a regional chess tourney in NOVA. He is now ranked nationally. He played two kids in the final two rounds that had previously beaten him earlier tourneys. Yes, I am a proud dad. He is also a pretty good all around athlete: he is wrestling for the first time this year and is playing basketball (the only deficit in B-ball is that dad is the coach). I will pose a question that he asked me, "is it OK to trash talk in Chess?" My wife quickly and emphatically said "NO!" I tend to think that it is situationally dependent.
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Rebounding

We can talk about our defense from the past few years, but we have been solid holding teams to one shot. This team even in wins has gotten crushed on the boards at the wrong time . It's a problem that needs to be corrected. It's effort and teams being more aggressive.
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Wilson has decomitted from UVa

When UVa fired Mike London and ultimately lost Chris Beatty to Syracuse (and then Maryland), there were three 2016 commits that seemed destined to open up their recruitments: Kenneth Ruff, Neru N'Shaka, and LaDerrien Wilson.

In tomorrow morning's War Room, we're planning to go commit by commit and tell you which guys are likely to flip and Wilson was at the top of the list because it just seemed like a matter of time. Word tonight, though, is that the three-star Florida running back has officially decided to open it up. This isn't one we expect to come back around to UVa.

This current situation with this starting squad reminds me of 2012-2013

I believe it was 2012-2013 year when Joe Harris was being touted as the team leader and he and Akil Mitchell were more or less in the same situation as Brogdon and Gill are now. Parrentes was basically like JA was that year; started having a few good games and was vocal during the good games.

Like the Joe Harris situation, it seems Brogdon has went on a bit of a slump and shows no sign as being a leader on this team as did Joe that year where he would disappear and people were questioning what was going on with him. He just did not seem comfortable being looked at as the team leader. Yes, at the end of the night you could argue that Joe Harris as Brogdon does they both get their points in the stat box, but most are points gotten on late game fouls and like Brogdon, Joe would take an easy layup when we really needed 3s to get back in or win.

So many similarities from that year to our current state with not one person stepping up, in tight games we have the same similar problems with knocking down critical one and ones leaving points on the floor and losing to teams in close losses like that year we should have beaten easily.

I said it back then that year if you shoot 50 or 60 percent from the free throw line and miss a bunch of those first shots that are one and ones then you potentially leave double the points not showing up in the final FT made and FT missed column.

No excuses for missing stationary shots and I know I was hard on Wilkins but like Akil Mitchell he never seem to improve from year to year on the critical aspects of free throw shooting.

This team like that team that went on to get 30 wins and a big winning streak, need to learn from that group and do what it takes to get focused and get fired up that they lost THREE games they should have won.

Gill, Brogdon, Tobey were all on that team during that year and really need to do some soul searching on how they can motivate themselves and the rest of this team like that year and start playing hard together and tough. Right after the tough loss to Tennessee, what ever they did or said worked and they went on to win 30 games that year!

I really hope some of these Seniors can step up and stop trying to just blend in the background.

Tobey, Gill, and Brogdon have been disappointing on their aggressiveness, out of position and just over all lack of focus. Tobey was burned numerous times for not boxing out, over pursuing on the baseline as Gill did the same as if they had regressed back to their first year out there. The last two games time management and throwing up garbage, rushed shoots when our senior guards had plenty of opportunities to shot around 10 second left and chose to throw it around to force a rush junk shot. When we were down by double digits, I was peeved to see us walking the ball up, milking down the clock to the last second as if they had a simple division laps on how many more opportunities we had left to come down and close the gap.

I know to some this is rambling, but it's more frustrating because you see these guys just in a fog and the coaching staff has had difficulty to get the right group out there, instead it's two potential shooters/scorers and three people running around or standing regardless of the interchanging parts. This team has had so much potential and in numerous games we were firing on all cylinders, but now they reach the top #4 ranking we start sabotaging ourselves. I just hope the speech that was used back in 2012 among themselves is revisited or this may become a long disappointing season.

Sorry if some read before I re edited the post....lot's of autocorrect that I had to go back on and change. Sorry!
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WAR ROOM-- 1.8.16

The WAR ROOM is back and this quick-hitting edition is full of football recruiting scoop! The Cavaliers have a new head coach and a new staff but in terms of 2016 recruiting, the biggest focus so far has been on keeping the commits that they've had in the fold. We'll go recruit by recruit in this week's edition and give you our view on if those commits stick with the Cavaliers or open things up. We'll also touch on two players who aren't committed to UVa that people should be paying close attention to as the end of the dead period nears and official visit season begins.

As always, what's said in the War Room, stays in the War Room. Let's go!


How committed are the commits

While we've been rolling out articles for the past few weeks with various members of UVa's 2016 class, the trick for the team leading up to Signing Day will be to hang on to them. And with the decommitment Thursday night of Laderrien Wilson, it looks like the class will remain essentially intact from here on out.

So what we decided to do this week is to walk you through each commit and touch on their respective situations individually.

The easiest place to start is with the four early enrollees: Tight end Christian Baumgardner, kicker Holland Corbett, running back Tre Harbison, and DE/LB Matt Terrell are all set at this point. So, who all is coming with them?

Sonny Abramson: The three-star signal caller has been one of UVa's all-time biggest recruiters. Almost every recruit we talk to mentions having talked to the Sparta (NJ) Pope John XXIII standout. That being said, recruiting is a fickle thing and we're not sure if Virginia's pursuit of another QB (more on that later) will have a dramatic impact on Abramson or not. We've reached out to him several times to set up interviews and either the timing hasn't worked out because of the holidays or, most recently, he said via text that he didn't have much to say other than he's had great conversations with the coaches, he can't wait to get to Charlottesville, and he's excited for his official visit (January 22-24). So, is there reason for worry here? We can't advise that. But it's worth keeping in mind that sometimes situations can change. If the Wahoos get another quarterback, it'll be interesting to see how that impacts Abramson, if at all. Keep in mind, though, that it's already January and this kid committed in November 2014. It would be quite a challenge to pick up recruiting again and find the right fit in such a limited amount of time.

Cole Blackman: There was probably a moment or two very early on where the Richmond native was looking to move but since the hiring of Bronco Mendenhall was announced and it became official that Marques Hagans would return, Blackman's commitment firmed up nicely. We fully expect him to sign with UVa.

Darrius Bratton: The William Fleming standout is one of many on this list who are very likely going to stick with the Hoos. We have a full update coming on him soon.

Christian Brooks: Like the story this week made very clear, the Centreville native is planning to sign with the Cavaliers soon and that's good news for a variety of reasons. Not only is he a sleeper type in this class but his younger brother Caleb is going to be a highly recruited player very soon and though Brooks says he'll let his brother go through the process without much pressure, we still see that playing a role.

Osiris Crutchfield: The Western Albermarle defensive end is another that we think will definitely stick with the Cavaliers. Having committed to Virginia in late November, he didn't exactly have the background with the previous staff that others in the class did and that, plus him being able to attend college at home, likely plays a part in him sticking.

Deedrick Daniels: The last of the group of Florida kids to remain committed to the Cavaliers, we have to admit we have a bit of hard time getting a good read here. Daniels has seemed publicly like someone that will stick; he's regularly interacting with UVa's other commits and the vibe is that he's on board. Word we've heard is that the staff has touched base with him and we hope to finally do the same soon. For now, we're tentatively saying he'll stick but the fact that he's from the Sunshine State, which is like decommit capital of the world, leaves the door cracked until he signs his letter of intent.

Hasise Dubois: The three-star wideout from New Jersey might be, along with Harbison, UVa's best overall prospect in this class so obviously holding on to him is big. Early in, the vibes here weren't that good. But that seems to have turned around a bit lately in talking to both sources and other commits. We're hoping to finally get ahold of him soon but things here seem pretty promising. The key will be whether or not he takes any other official visits outside of his planned trip to UVa in two weeks.

Nick Grant: As we reported this week, the time for worry when it comes to the Courtland star has now passed. Since he's had a chance to touch base with UVa's staff and get the reassurances he needed, this one appears to be locked up.

Bryce Hall: He was one of the first recruits we talked to following the hire and the Bishop McDevitt athlete sounded then as sure as he did when he picked UVa back in the summer.

Aidan Howard: We've been playing phone tag a bit with the Monroeville (PA) Gateway receiver but we don't think that's a sign of anything that should invoke worry. We expect the three-star wideout to stick with the class.

Ben Knutson: Another one that we've been trying to set up an interview with, Knutson's initial reaction to Mendenhall's hiring would seem to indicate that he's sticking with the Wahoos and that's good because the 6-foot-8, 270-pound three-star is a key along the offensive line.

Jordan Mack: The Georgia safety was pretty clear in our recent conversation with him that he liked UVa's new coaches and that he couldn't wait to sign with the Cavaliers. We're a little surprised more teams haven't tried to flip him, though. Consider that a big win for UVa.

Chris Moore: As reported this week, this one is also a done deal and the Broad Run standout will sign with Virginia next month.

Stephen Moye: There are two big unknowns on this list and Moye is one of them. He's very, very hard to get up with so getting his insight on what he might be thinking is tough. At this point, we don't have much of a feel other than to say that if the three-star defensive end was planning on flipping, you'd think there would have been some smoke by now. As of yet, we haven't heard anything that would point us in that direction. Again, like Daniels, it's best to wait until he has signed.

Joeseph Reed: When it comes to forecasting the future, knowing how even a highly-rated recruit will develop is tough but in Reed we think UVa found perhaps the biggest sleeper in the Commonwealth. While it's hard to say that a three-star guy is but so underrated, in this case it's true. So it's great news for the Cavaliers then that the Charlotte Courthouse star is sticking with his commitment. He's going to be a great one.

Dillon Reinkensmeyer: As one of the few commits who has some sort of "experience" with UVa's new coaches during their time at BYU, Reinkensmeyer might know better than all of them just how successful that group has been. While he wasn't recruited by them directly, the Colorado native got a good sense of the type of program they run. We have a story coming on him but suffice to say he's already connected well with the coaches and remains solid.

Robert Snyder: The three-star linebacker from Suwannee (GA) Collins Hill is another that's hard to get up with and because of that, our read here is a little tougher. It certainly sounds from talking to sources like he'll stick but we'll feel better about that prognostication once we've had a chance to hear it from him. For now, though, there's no reason to think he won't sign with Virginia.

Stephen Spanellis: Though we haven't been able to do a full interview with him yet, the three-star offensive lineman from the Gilman School was pretty enthusiastic about his commitment both in the wake of the news that a change had been made and then when UVa hired Mendenhall. There's been plenty of buzz out there that other schools, namely Michigan, have tried to make a run at him and as of now, we think it's likely that he sticks. But there's a very real chance that he takes a visit to Ann Arbor before the big commit visit the following weekend. We'll have to wait and see how this one plays out.

Andrew Trainer: The three-star tight end from Alexandria committed to UVa somewhat surprisingly back in May after telling us at the Rivals Camp in Richmond about a month earlier that he liked the Cavaliers but wanted to see more of his options in the spring/summer. Unfortunately, it doesn't look at all like he's going to sign with the Cavaliers. There had been rumblings once Mendenhall took over that he and his staff were looking to sign one tight end in this class. With Baumgardner set to enroll early, it seemed that spot was already filled and word was that the staff had informed Trainer of that info. He hasn't said anything publicly about it and hasn't returned any of our messages but he did speak with another Rivals publisher recently about an ACC school that's in the mix for him and politely declined to get into specifics of what was happening with UVa. So, while it's not totally outside the realm of possibility that this one trends back towards the Wahoos, the writing clearly appears to be on the wall and the only thing left is for him to say something publicly once he's found his new home. Outside of the Florida kids, Trainer is the guy we think is most likely to end up elsewhere, at least as of now.

Landan Word: The UVa legacy told CavsCorner he was excited about the news that Mendenhall had been hired and we believe he'll sign with the Hoos. Things did get a little interesting, however, when Maryland decided to offer in the last 10 days or so. This is one to keep an eye but for now, we have a hard time seeing him land elsewhere.


Ball will be a focus for UVa

Now, with all of that said, we believe the Cavaliers are working with about four spots if and when Trainer comes off the board and there's no doubt from where we sit that four-star Rivals250 offensive lineman Josh Ball is the guy they most want right now. And who can blame them, as the FSU commit is pretty much exactly the kind of player that the former regime missed on time and time again.

We said earlier this week that a source in northern Virginia that we spoke with recently said they would have a hard time seeing the Stafford standout flip but the rumblings have grown louder over time. The fact that he's planning to visit UVa when all of the other 2016 commits will be in town is an interesting wrinkle. We say "planning" because as of now, his official visit to Tallahassee is scheduled for the previous weekend and in recruiting, a trip to the school you're committed to sometimes has a way of taking all other visits off the board. Only time will tell here but we think the Hoos have a legitimate shot to flip him, something that we didn't think we'd say several weeks ago.

Only a matter of time for Cross?

Finally this week, it sure feels like it's just a question of when dual-threat quarterback De'Vante Cross will join the fold. The 6-foot-1, 184-pound signal caller from Allentown (PA) Parkland Senior had formerly committed to Boston College but opened things up and quickly jumped to the top of UVa's board. We don't think it's as much a question of 'if' anymore. Like Ball, he's set to visit during the big weekend and we won't be surprised if he comes off the board even before then.

That is it for this week, and as always, what's said here, stays here!

New ACC expansion idea (if three division rule passes) ...

Add Navy as FB-only member.

Division A/Coastal - Florida State, Miami, BC, Syracuse, GT
Division B/Midatlantic - Navy, Pitt, UVa, VT, Louisville
Division C/Carolina - Clemson, UNC, Duke, NCSU, Wake

Preserves most rivalries (FSU-Miami, Miami-BC, UVa-VT, Tobacco Road, etc). Pretty good competitive balance.

Cross-divisional rivals (all current cross-rivals or current intradivision teams, except VT-NCSU)
UVa-UNC
VT-NCSU
GT-Clemson
Miami-Duke
Syracuse-Pitt
BC-Wake
FSU-UL
Navy plays four rotating cross-divisional games instead of three.
Champ game participants based on head-to-head record through the finishing order (record against other 1s, then the 2s, etc.).
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